Alert: This is a G rated room intended for a General Audience including minors. Offensive language is not permitted. Alert: Our guest speaker is Pete Hendrickson. We will be answering questions and discussing CTC methodology. Please stick to the subject matter of the room. If you are disruptive or disrespectful of others, you will be "Red Dotted" or Removed! CTC-Roger: Welcome. Tparty76: Hello CTC-Roger: Welcome CTC-Roger: I will not be speaking much tonight, I am dealing with a bout of laryngitis and can hardly talk. CTC-Roger: Welcome Tparty76: My son disconnected my mike so I'll be a listener tonight CTC-Roger: Feel free to talk or chat with each other until the meeting begins. freeadon_2: hello Roger and thank you for tonight CTC-Roger: No problem, glad to make it happen Tparty76: Has Pete done one of these since the indictment? freeadon_2: will Pete be talking about his case and how it's going? CTC-Roger: yes CTC-Roger: I would assume so, if you ask him CTC-Roger: Welcome 56 CTC-Roger: oh well CTC-Roger: welcome estreet7 CTC-Roger: Feel free to talk or chat with each other until the meeting begins. estreet7: Thanks rifishman: evening everyone freeadon_2: What would America be without the IRS We would have nothing to do. CTC-Roger: We'd be FREE and I can think of a lot of things to do! LOL! Tparty76: Oh I think I could survive freeadon_2: I agree CTC-Roger: Welcome to the new arrivals. CTC-Roger: Feel free to talk or chat with each other until the meeting begins. CTC-Roger: Welcome to the room akseeker: Hi, all Tparty76: Is anyone else worried for Pete? freeadon_2: Welcome CTC-Roger: Did all of you get a chance to read the newsletter? Tparty76: I know i did. Anything in particular? CTC-Roger: I am concerned for Pete, but I feel he can hold his own. The only thing I see as a probem the is corrupt system CTC-Roger: Just curious Tparty freeadon_2: I been there done that I agree Tparty76: That is the problem all the way around for all of us akseeker: tech note: how do we know the audio portion is working properly? Any way to test before session officially starts? freeadon_2: yes it is CTC-Roger: yes CTC-Roger: little low CTC-Roger: for me anyway CTC-Roger: feel free to test your mic's 4jetlag: Good evening! CTC-Roger: Hello CTC-Roger: good CTC-Roger: very good akseeker: I can't hear anythin akseeker: g 4jetlag: Oh, good! LOL CTC-Roger: ya I know.....LOL CTC-Roger: LOL CTC-Roger: pretty good CTC-Roger: no sound MNviking: Elvis in into CtC? akseeker: still no audio here, is there something I need to press CTC-Roger: ctl key CTC-Roger: or push to talk button akseeker: no, I mean to listen, not talk CTC-Roger: assuming you have a working mic CTC-Roger: just listen CTC-Roger: go ahead 5 CTC-Roger: 4 CTC-Roger: Pete should be arriving soom CTC-Roger: soon CTC-Roger: go CTC-Roger: no sound again CTC-Roger: good Tparty76: hearya CTC-Roger: Did you all know you can save the text portion of the meeting? CTC-Roger: Click on the File tab, go to save room session, then decide if you want save as RTF or TEXT file. CTC-Roger: Hum, Pete should be here by now. I am going to try to contact him...brb Tparty76: I try to record the audio. Didn't work for me last time rifishman: received my first refund from state of RI last week. Tparty76: Cat got yer keyboards? Tparty76: Congrats rifishman: ty Tparty76: I still need to send my CTC'sd vzeng1: rifish, congrats Tparty76: Weak signal rifishman: thanks vzeng vzeng1: what year, rif? vzeng1: last year? DrunkenPilot: I got my 668W levy last week! woohoo! lol rifishman: still working with you know who on 05 and 06 rifishman: for 07 on RI Tparty76: Drunk what ya gonna do? vzeng1: hm.. what sort of time from mailing to check receipt.. did you get harrassed? rifishman: have amended filed for RI for 05 and 06, no response. MA is denying my 05 and 06 abatement forms. they want a fight from me vzeng1: cool MNviking: got my 90 day love letter last week rifishman: i was actually suprised when the check was in the mail from RI. not even a peep from them. vzeng1: so, you just got the 07 from RI rifishman: took about 2 months vzeng1: nice Colonel Kane: 90 day love letter? rifishman: yes, just 07 DrunkenPilot: well, just send it back & say "levy not valid since i do not fit the criteria in title 26 Sec 6331A Tparty76: Noisy CTC-Roger: Pete is having problems logging into Paltalk, he is trying to get here. cubaguy1: Woud be nice to have Petes thoughts on levy action vzeng1: my company got really really mad when I call payroll to ask them where can I send my W-8 form rifishman: vzeng: why a W8? CTC-Roger: Again, be patient. Pete is trying to get into the room.... cubaguy1: Pilot, did you have CDP hearing ? vzeng1: just testing the waters... with the company. W8-BEN, actually. DrunkenPilot: nope Colonel Kane: MNviking forgive my ignorance but, what's a 90 love letter? MNviking: NOD DrunkenPilot: no CDPhearing, just outta the blue - payroll exec walks up to me at work & hands me the papers... Any1Happy: hi cubaguy1: wow Tparty76: Yeah thats the way they do it Colonel Kane: notice of deficiency? Tparty76: They just start taking what ever they can cubaguy1: But at the time of finail notice of intent to levy didnt you have CDP option ?? MNviking: yes, Notice of Deficiency Tparty76: Hello pete CTC-Roger: ok CTC-Roger: yes CTC-Roger: good Any1Happy: 1 Colonel Kane: yes Tparty76: Loud and clear 4jetlag: Anyone getting any sound? Ok now rifishman: hi Pete. freeadon_2: you sound great we all are concerned CTC-Roger: Welcome to all the new arrivals Colonel Kane: thaks Tparty76: Hello Kensei! CTC-Roger: tell us about it. We are very interested freeadon_2: The liars CTC-Roger: Welcome to the new arrivals calyxion: Hi Roger. Hi Pete CTC-Roger: Hello 4jetlag: Pete, I need your zip code. I was going to send out $$$ today and forgot to put your zip code on the envelope. Kensei_: Hey, Tparty. I changed my ID from mattrx3 back to Kensei. freeadon_2: The zip code is on the newletter TNSr5r: Took me a while to find the room. vzeng1: tnsr. I agree. me too 4jetlag: What is it? Pete sent me the address but I need the zip! MNviking: How much money is in the Offense fund? Gan u use that? Tparty76: I tell everyone I can Kensei_: just type 'we the people' and it is the only choice that pops up freeadon_2: Are going to use the US Attorney Manuals ref: what taxes they can prosecute on. CTC-Roger: Pete can you give the address to send donations CTC-Roger: ok Kensei_: or you can give via Paypal too Tparty76: Yes Paypal freeadon_2: I pray for you and your family I've been there done that CTC-Roger: no sound vzeng1: ok, no sound CTC-Roger: kind of like a CB radio....push to talk, let up to listen vzeng1: yes, did it. vzeng1: no good, looks like CTC-Roger: just text your quesiton vzeng1: anyway, quick question Pete Hendrickson: Donations can be sent to 232 Oriole Rd., Commerce Twp., MI 48382 vzeng1: can you simply go over what the issue is that you spoke of vzeng1: did not read newsletter yet Kensei_: Can they read Pete's mind? Telepathic? freeadon_2: Pure harassment freeadon_2: The thugs TNSr5r: Bogus or not, the IRS merely wants to get an indictment and an injunction freeadon_2: I hope there is not an injunction where will we go? Kensei_: An 'indictment' is simply an allegation, an accusation, then must be proved vzeng1: thx pete freeadon_2: of course it's time to scare tactics Colonel Kane: how long is this chat tonight?? Kensei_: 1 hour, till 10 p.m. Colonel Kane: Thank you. CTCBEAN: Pete did you hear about the national convention they are trying to get passed? This may be the way they are trying to completely trash the constitution at the convention- thinka bout what this could mean to the tax system CTCBEAN: a constitutional convention I mean Kensei_: to make their job easier with standardized forms. TNSr5r: Several groups have been working on a Constitutional Convention since at least 1992. Nothing has happened yet. CTCBEAN: they have voted on it- it just has not been in the news Kensei_: 'or payer' is on there too, so that's good CTC-Roger: Patriot mythology TNSr5r: CTCBean, who is "they?" MNviking: I gave in the past to the “Legal Offense Fund.” Can you use those funds for your defense, Pete? CTCBEAN: the states legs. TNSr5r: The only people who can declare a Constitutional Convention is Congress, by my knowledge. Any1Happy: well we all have to pay taxes TNSr5r: I don't, and you probably don't. CTCBEAN: they have to have 2/3 of states in agreement Pete Hendrickson: www.losthorizons.com/tax/Misunderstandings/map.htm CTC-Roger: Yes but only those that we are liable for Any peace-lover: i knew aaron russo Kensei_: They are not signed or sworn at all, I did notice that and called them on it too. CTC-Roger: If you'd like to ask a question, just raise your hand and you will be recognized. We will take questions in the order of those who have their hands up. Kensei_: ha ha! Kensei_: Mr. Roboto if full of crap-o Kensei_: I meant 'is' Kensei_: Please send us proof. Oh, you don't have any? Hmmm. MNviking: yes Kensei_: Shoot first and ask questions later... TNSr5r: Frivolous returns are often considered no returns filed. estreet7: He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance. Declaration of the 13 United States of America freeadon_2: the other hand does not know what the other is doing Kensei_: Calyxion - your last letter was 2645C also, correct? calyxion: Yes. A 2645C. Go it last week calyxion: I meant "got it" TNSr5r: Freeadon, both hands often know what they are doing, but they are experts at confusion and obfuscation. Kensei_: Right, that's self-contradictory info 4jetlag: TNSr5r; call me later, ok? DisGuysDisguise: ELEPHANT in The ROOM ......$1 QUADRILLION Plus in DERIVATIVES .....TOO Frightening to discuss ? ? Kensei_: But LTR 3176(SC) seems to have omitted the first part of 6702 , Hmm? Kensei_: that's supposed to be ( a ) Kensei_: "We are PROPOSING a $5000 penalty..." MNviking: Have they ever levied anyone who filed a CtC return? estreet7: yes MNviking: doh TNSr5r: MNViking, I have spoken with at least a dozen people who have had a frivolous return penalty and also a levy, and not one of them had the penalty taken, just "overdue taxes" Alert: ====SECURITY BULLETIN!======= Paltalk will never send emails with attachments! NEVER open any attachemnts unless you are absolutely sure they are free of viruses and trojans! DONT BE FOOLED by fake 'support' letters or surveys that claim to be from PalTalk! PalTalk will NEVER request personal informaion in an email unless YOU contact us with a problem with your account first. Always check the header of any email that claims it is coming from PalTalk. estreet7: There are no documents responsive to your requests. MNviking: That is what I meant, not just a noticem but an actual levy Kensei_: That's what I'm hoping, the legit documents aren't in existence. CTC-Roger: or call it up on their computers and send it out Kensei_: and it is SIGNED by the appropriate person too... DrunkenPilot: I got my "notice of levy" 668W last week, but it's a 'notice of levy' not the actual levy... paper tiger? freeadon_2: what page? estreet7: don't ignore it Tparty76: Your place of work will cave regardless Kensei_: Great, thanks for the clarifications. I do read the EWWBL series, it is very helpful. I was just getting additional clarifications. TNSr5r: DrunkenPilot, banks and employers will treat a "notice" as if it IS a levy. Colonel Kane: I know i have to read CtC book again but does anyone know how many years one can go back to correct returns? looks like i haven't owed since 1992 when i was in the service. DrunkenPilot: my payroll exec handed it to me & said "we have to comply" - i knew she wouldnt understand it CTC-Roger: go AK CTC-Roger: go vzent CTC-Roger: good Kensei_: great rifishman: good Kensei_: Hey, the first steps are taken, keep moving forward. estreet7: back off from your mic a little Kensei_: back up a little from the mic, getting some PLLLpPPP sounds.... freeadon_2: don't go there CTC-Roger: sedm... sovereignty education defense ministry freeadon_2: no don't that do that Kensei_: http://www.losthorizons.com/tax/Misunderstandings/praand1040s.htm Colonel Kane: good question vzeng1 vzeng1: thanks Col OneCreatureoftheCreator: MNviking: They are also saying file 1040NR, right? Colonel Kane: huge book, huh? "..Hoax" CTC-Roger: Welcome all the new arrivals! akseeker: I'll try again, if I may… Kensei_: http://www.losthorizons.com/Help.htm also the "Help II" page Colonel Kane: Thaks!!CTC-Roger CTC-Roger: yes, you wil be called on in order AK akseeker: thx CTC-Roger: Your welcome Kensei_: http://www.losthorizons.com/appendix.htm vzeng1: great. thanks. Kensei_: http://www.losthorizons.com/EveryWhichWayButLoose.htm rifishman: read the book several times!! Kensei_: The beginning parts of the book can be heavier than the later parts. Stick with it, await the 'light bulb' moments CTC-Roger: our fight, right? CTC-Roger: good luck with that! Kensei_: This is a great link, read it at least twice: http://www.losthorizons.com/RegardingTheLevyPower.htm Pete Hendrickson: www.losthorizons.com/RegardingTheLevyPower.htm MN Stix: I will assUme we should have sound :D Kensei_: Whoo hoo! RobertGoddard: If I start my own union, Can I get some of this bailout money? CTC-Roger: yes MN stix vzeng1: right. SEDM from my two months of study seems to attack a broader issue. Distancing oneself from SSNs, the modeling of Common Law under Contract Law under UCC law (as a result of AMerican secret bankrupcy of March 4, 1938) CTC-Roger: your volume may be down MN Stix: quick start an auto company ctc-richard: u hv to screw up first MN Stix: No Roger, Im having issue with Java RobertGoddard: technically, toyota should get more of this bailout money because they build more parts in America than GM CTC-Roger: ok MN Stix: Thank you though Colonel Kane: Kensei- how many years can someone go back to correct all the wrongfully submitted 1040's done out of ignorance? Kensei_: The 'Levy' page has great 'history' going back to the 1939 IRC, and the Revised Statutes too. Very interesting. Are you required to make 'monthly returns of tax' or are you: 1. Federal employee; 2. State or municipal employee; 3. Seamen? Or involved in ATF activities? Then Levy by mere 'notice', absent the court order, does not legally apply to you, particularly if no tax is owed. vzeng1: secret truth of americans as "collateral" for the international bankers who effectively really run the US as if it was a constitutional republic, but it is only an illustion RobertGoddard: I know nothing about taxes other than they got more power than I do RobertGoddard: Its true, Im more afraid of the IRS than I am of terrorism calyxion: Colonel Kane, I think you can go back three years to amend returns RobertGoddard: www.fairtax.org Kensei_: Agreed, keep spreading the word. The 'tax facts' cards and 'Nutshell' pamphlets are great methods. Colonel Kane: ok calyxion thanks... TNSr5r: Robert, read a good book on teh so-cqalled income tax and your fears will reduce. vzeng1: seems like I should be CTC "proven" . Pete had a good point. Proof is in the pudding. Tparty76: Three years to get a refund MN Stix: proof is always in the pudding RobertGoddard: Read a book on it? Should I do that in jail after not paying taxes? Kensei_: I gave a book, CD, extra files, documents, etc. to Mike Huckabee at a recent book signing. I even talked with and gave pamphlets to several MI Fairtax folks, they seemed interested in the info. MN Stix: pops akseeker: problems.. akseeker: I'll text RobertGoddard: I think income taxes are unlawfull, government shouldnt have the right to distribute my wealth freeadon_2: what taxes are you talking about akseeker: I'm needing to (or not??) petition tax court. The form doesn't seem to require anything other than what I disagree with. RobertGoddard: I only believe in income and excise taxes RobertGoddard: oops RobertGoddard: Scratch that, excise and tarrif Tparty76: I GET PRETTY GOOD RESPONSES FROM PEOPLE. THOSE TAX SHEETS ARE GREAT Kensei_: Well, it helps that 'income' taxes only apply to 'taxpayers' or anyone who engages in excise-taxable activities, thank goodness... freeadon_2: income is not defined in the code RobertGoddard: as of 1913 they can tax our income akseeker: y freeadon_2: if you have income from a taxable source TNSr5r: Robert, the key issue is the definition of "income" RobertGoddard: So how do you get around it, you become a nonproffit entity? MN Stix: no akseeker: worth petitioning? Will I get a fair hearing TNSr5r: The only definition of "income" in law originated in the Corporation Excise Tax Act of 1909 MN Stix: you cannot get around income Tparty76: Pete Hendrickson: Outstanding!!! Kensei_: Mr. Goddard: the 1913 tariff act specifically mentions, pg. 167: "B. That, subject only to such exemptions and deductions as are hereinafter allowed, the net income of a TAXABLE PERSON shall include..." So, what about the 'nontaxable persons'? freeadon_2: "The income tax is, therefore, not a tax on income as such. It is an excise tax with respect to certain activities and privileges which is measured by reference to the income which they produce. The income is not the subject of the tax: it is the basis for determining the amount of the tax." (House Congressional Record, March 27, 1943, page 2580) RobertGoddard: Kensei, So what defines taxable? Kensei_: Yes, good info. freeadon_2: what tax are you protesting MN Stix: beautiful freeadon Kensei_: Rockets, maybe? Or jet fuel. ") TNSr5r: It is the activity that is taxable, and not the person, Robert. MN Stix: was spoken on my birthday...years before my time of course freeadon_2: it is the activity period RobertGoddard: How do you become a nontaxable person? TNSr5r: Robert, you are a non-taxable person unless you are engaged in a revenue-taxable activity MN Stix: nontaxpayer? CTC-Roger: not engage in any priviliged activity MN Stix: thank you roger MN Stix: lol freeadon_2: the constitution provides for excise, duties, capitations, tariffs RobertGoddard: Is there a list of nontaxable activities thats easy to read? Kensei_: Right. The EXERCISE of a federal privilege, some way the government helps you, either by paying you directly for working for them, or by investing in federally-controlled corporations, instrumentalities. Who do you work for, and who pays you? Yes, read CTC RobertGoddard: Ok, Can you type the name of the book in the room? rifishman: www.losthorizons.com Kensei_: Cracking the Code TNSr5r: Robert, the law can only list taxable activities. All others are non-taxable. RobertGoddard: ok tns DrunkenPilot: What? wait we didnt get a full hour with you Pete! I say we hold him over til 10:05 to make it a full hour! Who's with me! Say Aye! LOL Kensei_: Good question. Wait, or ?? Kensei_: That was directed to calyxion, FYI akseeker: one more time, I may have it now. vzeng1: keep drinking, drunken MNviking: make it two hours for making us wait, lol 4jetlag: Have Dave do your IMF! Kensei_: Hey, before this Paltalk we got '0' hours. Just like how much 'wages' we were paid... freeadon_2: Pete is not engaged in these taxes limited prosecution Kensei_: Thank you, Pete, for taking this time to talk, answer questions, clarify, etc. It is much appreciated and we are praying for you and your family. calyxion: Thanks, Pete. CTC-Roger: Pete, before leave, are we going to meet in two weeks? It is Christmas Eve? MN Stix: Thanks Pete, wish I could hear you lol CTC-Roger: ok good, thanks freeadon_2: Good luck Pete and God Bless!!!!!!!!!1 estreet7: Thanks Pete for taking your time with us! 4jetlag: Thanks, Pete; very good job! Colonel Kane: ThanksPete you da man!! Tparty76: hAPPY NEW YEAR CTC-Roger: very good discussion tonght Kensei_: This is maybe the best Paltalk yet! freeadon_2: God Bless you and your family Kensei_: Hope I didn't hog the mic too much, but had several questions... rifishman: Thanks Pete and enjoy your holiday season with your family. calyxion: We support your efforts on behalf of the truth and the law, Pete. Blessings to you and your family. Kensei_: Lock and load. calyxion: Kensei, your questions are always great. Kensei_: (the missile, of course...) akseeker: already donated, will that show up in totals? MNviking: I gave in the past to the “Legal Offense Fund.” Can you use those funds for your defense, Pete? CTC-Roger: ok everybody remember next conference is January 7, 2009! Please come back and bring friends and those who need to be educated. vzeng1: Homeland, are your initials DB? freeadon_2: Kensei you were great freeadon_2: thanks freeadon_2: Good night everyone vzeng1: mine are td Homeland1959: Nope DH estreet7: Thanks Roger! freeadon_2: thanks Roger get well. vzeng1: k,thanks. calyxion: Thanks for another great conversation. Good night Roger rifishman: Thanks Roger 4jetlag: Thanks, Roger. We appreciate the meeting. CTCBEAN: thnks roger wyogeo: Thanks Roger vzeng1: thanks. later. keep up the good work